Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

[vvvv84335]

Anyone can say that for any topic, depends what they prefer and like... "only my thing(s)and girl(s) important".

Nah man, I love this site and don't want it to slow down/go away. This is the only site I know of that primarily focuses on multi-dick rubbing inside hot women.

[dap-addict]

[quote="vvvv84335"What will change it? Will be different from performer to performer. If they can make more money somewhere else doing stuff they're comfortable with, they'll go there. So you'll have to engage in discussion with the performers if it's so important to you...[/quote]
I get your POV and I think some of us are also talking to performers about exactly this, their further involvement in AVLP. At the same time such threads are important for studios and directors to read and think about also. Because all is a give-and-take of girls, studios and fans/users.

[marcoB]

I'm waiting for the AI impact. This industry will hopefully be completely destroyed before it can rise again.

- what do we have? female performers who have not become just more arrogant than than all billionaires combined and who mostly just throw OF crap at us

- a metoo madness where every move can be wrong

- Producers who are stubborn or bored or have given up because of the above problem because they don't want to deal with this arrogance

- Even if everything fits, what do you see? Bored faces that always play the same routine in boring, absurd studios. Not even the AI is that boring

[marcoB]

and what the fuck do we need?

humans! humans who are able to say “hello” sometimes. without saying: "Ooh, unprofessional. Can I say 'hello' or is that already gropy ? Are you trying to exploit me? 'Hello' isn't in my contract and besides, as I said, that's unprofessional!"

Actors need to become HUMANS again. and not this crap about labeling anything that isn't completely robotic as unprofessional. I want improvisation and authenticity!

Fact is: Every AI is definitely more human than the current actors.

[dap-addict]

and what the fuck do we need?

humans! humans who are able to say “hello” sometimes. without saying: "Ooh, unprofessional. Can I say 'hello' or is that already gropy ? Are you trying to exploit me? 'Hello' isn't in my contract and besides, as I said, that's unprofessional!"

Interesting!
Could you elaborate a bit on that what you mean?

[marcoB]

and what the fuck do we need?

humans! humans who are able to say “hello” sometimes. without saying: "Ooh, unprofessional. Can I say 'hello' or is that already gropy ? Are you trying to exploit me? 'Hello' isn't in my contract and besides, as I said, that's unprofessional!"

Interesting!
Could you elaborate a bit on that what you mean?

I don't want to get into long explanations, I just want to show something that can perhaps illustrate what I mean quite well:
https://www.xvideos.com/channels/binho-ted#_tabVideos

Look at these scenes, especially also those when they are driving with the car and fooling around. The whole thing has a very relaxed atmosphere and you have the feeling that there are "normal people" here who are just going on a crazy trip. Every now and then they stop, go for something to eat and so on. and continue joking in the restaurant. And in the paid "RED" area you also have DP scenes, anal, group and so on.

I also talked once with a Brazilian producer on fb and he said "Yeah, well, often I don't have a fully thought out plan. I do have something in my head, but it's like this, we meet up and hang out for a bit and then see what happens."

In Europe, however, the actors seem like robots. Just look at the body language here. Which is probably because everything here is 100% planned and scripted. But imagine a european producer would say to a model: "Sure, i have ideas in my head, but primary let's some kind of hang around and see what happens". She will not only be yelling at you, she will also complain on social media:
"You are not professional! This is not a date! We are just here for work, you need a script! This is gropy!"

In Europe, eroticism is BUREAUCRACY. It's not "uninhibited people" who meet, but rather uptight bureaucrats who meticulously plan an act. what I want is: real uninhibitedness, real wildness, spontaneity, rush of emotions, actors in ecstasy

[lpforever4899]

I am happy with a slowdown, I can't afford the amount that is released financially, and all I really want is high quality, less quantity, to spend my hard earned cash on.

[dap-addict]

She will not only be yelling at you, she will also complain on social media:"You are not professional! This is not a date! We are just here for work, you need a script! This is gropy!"

I think you largely over-dramatize.
In EU girls are booked for certain sex acts, but scripts can be pretty loose.

[dap-addict]

Well, Emily Pink moved to Prague and is now subject to Prague living costs, thus ofc she should earn the same as locally based Czech girls. Same with Francys Belle who has moved to Spain a long time ago, or also Veronica Leal who lives in Budapest, all 3 expensive places compared to Medellin or São Paulo.

I just think it's strange for performers to have their salary defined simply by where they live and not by their performance in front of the cameras.

That's not just the case for performers. That's the case nearly all jobs. If you work in a poor country you earn much less.

Well, I just think there is a field of maneuvre for studios to stay really fair for girls but also cut costs down a bit despite Czech base costs growing again also in 2024.

With this by no means I want to support a Medellin based girl doing DAP in Prague to get exactly the same pay as if she'd perform in Medellin. It has to be a win-win situation for studio and girls - and ideally ofc also lower investment passed on to users asking for slightly less TKT.

[Jimbo8012395]

Porn we know is already death.We will be shifting to something different, as in the way we produce the content as in the way we market them

OnlyF*ans has absolutely killed the conventional porn biz. What's the incentive for girls to performer in multiple guy scenes when they're making $50 a minute from sticking a dildo up their ass? There are simps who will spend thousands on there per month for custom content. It's impossible to compete with that.

[House MD]

Out of boredom, I was browsing haphazardly through my catalogue and stumbled upon Karolina Star's DAP produced by Gonzo back in the time where Legalporno was synonymous to curvy Euro nymphos getting solo gangbangs in all their holes like crazy. It was so refreshing to watch plain vanilla intense fucking without being interrupted by piss
No doubt, had Gonzo kept producing simple vanilla porn instead of drastically levelling down their quality to nonsex contents like play, piss, drink they wouldn't have gone bust

Here's a tribute to the quality of ex Legalporno:

The comparison to the mediocrity prevailing today is unspeakable

[Jimbo8012395]

Out of boredom, I was browsing haphazardly through my catalogue and stumbled upon Karolina Star's DAP produced by Gonzo back in the time where Legalporno was synonymous to curvy Euro nymphos getting solo gangbangs in all their holes like crazy. It was so refreshing to watch plain vanilla intense fucking without being interrupted by piss
No doubt, had Gonzo kept producing simple vanilla porn instead of drastically levelling down their quality to nonsex contents like play, piss, drink they wouldn't have gone bust

The comparison to the mediocrity prevailing today is unspeakable

Your definition of vanilla is very odd. Vanilla is not double anal or any kind of sex you'd see on here! It's missionary style sex with 1 man.

You can't call sex acts you don't like as non-sex acts. I'm pretty certain that a lot of girls would rather drink piss than have 2 cocks in their arse at the same time.

I do agree that piss can often ruin a scene and I think it should confined to near the end. But it's still a sex act whether you like it or not.

Also, the drop in quality isn't because of piss, it's because OnlyF is killing the industry. Simps will pay $50 per minute for custom anal content that will involve a girl merely sticking a dildo up her arse from the comfort of her own home. A girl could make a few 5-10 minute anal vids for subscribers and probably make more than if she went to Prague and had 4 cocks fuck the shit out of all her holes for 3+ hours. How does a studio compete with this?

[House MD]

I do agree that piss can often ruin a scene and I think it should confined to near the end. But it's still a sex act whether you like it or not.

Piss play or piss drinking is not sexual... just like foot fetish or toy play... it's definitely erotic/softcore

Also, the drop in quality isn't because of piss, it's because OnlyF is killing the industry. Simps will pay $50 per minute for custom anal content that will involve a girl merely sticking a dildo up her arse from the comfort of her own home. A girl could make a few 5-10 minute anal vids for subscribers and probably make more than if she went to Prague and had 4 cocks fuck the shit out of all her holes for 3+ hours. How does a studio compete with this?

Piss brutally stops any fucking momentum built up... that's what makes 2000s porn way better then 2020's Analpiss soft production. Back in the 2000s you only had at least 45min of manhanding, hard intense DP pounding with the sound of balls clapping and graphic images of prolapsed overflowing assholes oozing semen. That's the golden era of porn

Today you have pee drinking, puddle play, cake eating that cuts not only fucking scenes but also sperm swallowing scenes
Often times Analpiss garbage directors do not even wait for the girl to swallow several loads of goo but hastily wash up the jizz cocktail with piss... there's nothing more retarded than that

That argument pretending OF busts the market is what incompetent porn directors give to account for their failure and poor sales
OF has zero marketing power compared to distributing channels like Evil Angel, Brazzers, PornDoe, DP Diva, WCX, so cut the crap

[Giorgio Grandi]

I do agree that piss can often ruin a scene and I think it should confined to near the end. But it's still a sex act whether you like it or not.

Piss play or piss drinking is not sexual... just like foot fetish or toy play... it's definitely erotic/softcore

Also, the drop in quality isn't because of piss, it's because OnlyF is killing the industry. Simps will pay $50 per minute for custom anal content that will involve a girl merely sticking a dildo up her arse from the comfort of her own home. A girl could make a few 5-10 minute anal vids for subscribers and probably make more than if she went to Prague and had 4 cocks fuck the shit out of all her holes for 3+ hours. How does a studio compete with this?

Piss brutally stops any fucking momentum built up... that's what makes 2000s porn way better then 2020's Analpiss soft production. Back in the 2000s you only had at least 45min of manhanding, hard intense DP pounding with the sound of balls clapping and graphic images of prolapsed overflowing assholes oozing semen. That's the golden era of porn

Today you have pee drinking, puddle play, cake eating that cuts not only fucking scenes but also sperm swallowing scenes
Often times Analpiss garbage directors do not even wait for the girl to swallow several loads of goo but hastily wash up the jizz cocktail with piss... there's nothing more retarded than that

That argument pretending OF busts the market is what incompetent porn directors give to account for their failure and poor sales
OF has zero marketing power compared to distributing channels like Evil Angel, Brazzers, PornDoe, DP Diva, WCX, so cut the crap

I often read nonsense on this forum, but this one is probably over the top, probably the top 2024 so far.

When I or other name O.F, we are not telling a website has market power, but we are just making "in short" a complex topic about "self production" of content.

There are tons of models looking like goddess that literally shoot custom video for 100$/minute and use platforms like OF to engage with their customer making tens of thousands of dollars a month, some hundreds. There are even more just good looking girls that are doing almost that well or enough well to avoid any kind a pro-porn.
These girls are not going to shoot any kind of pro-porn, these girls that are not attracted at all from Evil Angel, Brazzers and so on.

There are a few, the more kinky that eventually did, could or would and will.

There has never been a time like now when the porn industry is full of super attractive girls, but in general they are not financially interested to get slammed 2 hours balls deep in the ass by 2 BBC, they do it if they like it... and believe me, we are talking about a small % of the pool of possible performers.

This is how it is.

[marcoB]

This is how it is.

And still the pro-producers don't listen to customers who are even willing to pay:
get models fully NAKED during the shoot!

because that is the funny thing:
the OF-girls who make tens of thousand of dollars are FULLY NAKED. they don't do this excessive lingerie which is nowadays present in the "pro scene"

[DPraved]

This is how it is.

And still the pro-producers don't listen to customers who are even willing to pay:
get models fully NAKED during the shoot!

because that is the funny thing:
the OF-girls who make tens of thousand of dollars are FULLY NAKED. they don't do this excessive lingerie which is nowadays present in the "pro scene"

Ain't that the truth. Most producers on this platform have zero understanding of aesthetics and show no willingness to actually improve their work in that regard.

[Buck_Meister]

Piss play or piss drinking is not sexual... just like foot fetish or toy play... it's definitely erotic/softcore
Piss brutally stops any fucking momentum built up... that's what makes 2000s porn way better then 2020's Analpiss soft production. Back in the 2000s you only had at least 45min of manhanding, hard intense DP pounding with the sound of balls clapping and graphic images of prolapsed overflowing assholes oozing semen. That's the golden era of porn

Today you have pee drinking, puddle play, cake eating that cuts not only fucking scenes but also sperm swallowing scenes
Often times Analpiss garbage directors do not even wait for the girl to swallow several loads of goo but hastily wash up the jizz cocktail with piss... there's nothing more retarded than that

That argument pretending OF busts the market is what incompetent porn directors give to account for their failure and poor sales
OF has zero marketing power compared to distributing channels like Evil Angel, Brazzers, PornDoe, DP Diva, WCX, so cut the crap

I often read nonsense on this forum, but this one is probably over the top, probably the top 2024 so far.

When I or other name O.F, we are not telling a website has market power, but we are just making "in short" a complex topic about "self production" of content.

There are tons of models looking like goddess that literally shoot custom video for 100$/minute and use platforms like OF to engage with their customer making tens of thousands of dollars a month, some hundreds. There are even more just good looking girls that are doing almost that well or enough well to avoid any kind a pro-porn.
These girls are not going to shoot any kind of pro-porn, these girls that are not attracted at all from Evil Angel, Brazzers and so on.

There are a few, the more kinky that eventually did, could or would and will.

There has never been a time like now when the porn industry is full of super attractive girls, but in general they are not financially interested to get slammed 2 hours balls deep in the ass by 2 BBC, they do it if they like it... and believe me, we are talking about a small % of the pool of possible performers.

This is how it is.

For starters you can't even segment the genre to carry out a rational comparative analysis:
OF you're jabbering about is softcore eroticism just like the piss garbage you worship and vomit to fill the void of your contents
The bulk of OF contents belongs to a segment that cannot be compared to Hardcore multiple simultaneous penetration solo gangbangs and ergo OF cannot phagocytize studios like DPDivas or DPFanatics or the DP/DAP categories of key players. They don't have the same audience and hence their sales tunnel never overlap even less so compete with each other
The trend in porn is evolving away from OF solo toy play or boob flash contents to hardcore rough sex where anal, DP, DAP, TAP, double blowjobs, Blowbangs and multiple load load swallowing are getting more and more mainstream. Hence, a studio making it's bucks on these catagories should logically be kicking ass making crazy silly money but that's not your case.
Why: coz of the overabundance of softcore piss, piss play, piss puke, piss drink, piss cake... nonsense that not only are stupid (it's just a chick ingurging salt water [Na+Cl-]) but slow-down fucking scenes. How many fans of hardcore rough brutal gangbangs get off on a chick drinking salt water instead of getting off on airtight DPs/DAPs/DVPs/TPs... The volume of obnoxious distractions like slapping, rimjobs, pissing, cage play, puddle slide you create is so obnoxious and disruptive it makes your porn unwatchable. You get to start a rough intense DAP pounding only to get interrupted by retarded piss with a chick ending up drenched looking like a wet skinny kitty. You get to jerk on a cum bucket whore holding multiples loads of slimy gooey spunk in her mouth and can't wait to jerk at the sight of the her gargling, swallowing then burping it only to be deceived by a bunch of faggots pissing in the cum bucket whore... who the heck is that much dimwitted to spoil a money shot like that with a retarded softcore salt water fetish he and his grandpa groupies are obsessed with?

[2017sucks]

I do agree that piss can often ruin a scene and I think it should confined to near the end. But it's still a sex act whether you like it or not.

Piss play or piss drinking is not sexual... just like foot fetish or toy play... it's definitely erotic/softcore

Also, the drop in quality isn't because of piss, it's because OnlyF is killing the industry. Simps will pay $50 per minute for custom anal content that will involve a girl merely sticking a dildo up her arse from the comfort of her own home. A girl could make a few 5-10 minute anal vids for subscribers and probably make more than if she went to Prague and had 4 cocks fuck the shit out of all her holes for 3+ hours. How does a studio compete with this?

Piss brutally stops any fucking momentum built up... that's what makes 2000s porn way better then 2020's Analpiss soft production. Back in the 2000s you only had at least 45min of manhanding, hard intense DP pounding with the sound of balls clapping and graphic images of prolapsed overflowing assholes oozing semen. That's the golden era of porn

Today you have pee drinking, puddle play, cake eating that cuts not only fucking scenes but also sperm swallowing scenes
Often times Analpiss garbage directors do not even wait for the girl to swallow several loads of goo but hastily wash up the jizz cocktail with piss... there's nothing more retarded than that

That argument pretending OF busts the market is what incompetent porn directors give to account for their failure and poor sales
OF has zero marketing power compared to distributing channels like Evil Angel, Brazzers, PornDoe, DP Diva, WCX, so cut the crap

Just watched it for the countless time in 16th years.

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Sound on, 50% at least. Zero prolapsing, zero pissing, zero cakes, zero dap. I mean, I can watch all those things.

But still, that's porn! That's what can proudly be called a brutal gangbang with only 4 guys. And only scene in that movie, without BTS. Only question is, after how many days or weeks Britney was able to walk again? I could even watch only Mike Angelo pussy fucked her 1on1 while he was still locked inside. And complete intro, from very 1st second, phone down and her voice and look, make up...she got what she deserved and what hardcore should be about. Hard to brutal fucking, depends from the girl and how much she can handle. No such porn anymore.
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[Buck_Meister]

I do agree that piss can often ruin a scene and I think it should confined to near the end. But it's still a sex act whether you like it or not.

Piss play or piss drinking is not sexual... just like foot fetish or toy play... it's definitely erotic/softcore

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Sound on, 50% at least. Zero prolapsing, zero pissing, zero cakes, zero dap. I mean, I can watch all those things.

Those failed porn directors on Analpiss killed such energetic, intense, rough and passionate porn. They knew exactly what they were doing: levelling down in a free fall the performance and quality to propose newbies anal tip-fucking and piss showering / drinking and they still got the audacity to call that "extreme" hardcore with the price tag of rough hardcore gangbangs... what a laugh those bunch of crooks. Seeing them getting bankrupt is a delightful solace

That Britney scene was picture perfect: that's my impression of authentic porn and a director's work of art - It's so beautiful to see Britney's big bouncy ass getting viciously pummeled with the sound of 2 pairs of balls smashing and crashing on her ass cheeks like waves on razor sharp basaltic rocks. It's so beautiful to see the porn producer occupying every fragment of the timeline with jolly good double pounding in a myriad of positions:
- the standing double penetration was sumptuous - their dicks were scissoring her flesh vigorously
- the doggy DP was also great
- cowgirl, reverse cowgirl DPs were classic wins
- and I loved the cowgirl position where she has her back vertical and jumps on that dick with all her weight so that you can only see those balls bulging in and out in different shapes as if they were about to burst at any moment

Today those failed porn have not even a ounce of dignity where they even film actors literally grabbing the lube bottle pouring a shit load of it

Never would I have thought, the 2020s would be a regression from such 2000s perfection, where directors only sell fake slow motion wet garbage

[hyapet]

Piss was introduced because ...

Porn was getting "boring." Not really, but, hear me out.

When you see a girl getting a beautiful BBC DAP - and everything in the scene is just gelling - it's a real treat. [/I]But![/I] Where do you go in the scene from there? Different positions? Different camera angles? Sure, I guess, but ... it kind of gets played out.

Optimal porn scenes have a visceral energy that makes you forget about the timeline. Where the planned shoot seems to disappear - and camera and the talent become one. Where it's this gigantic surge of energy - and it gets maintained throughout.

Thing is though! That's tough to do. In fact, you can't even do it. All the stars have to align and you just have to magically luck out on a scene. Like ... what happens when it's time for the beautiful girl to get cum-shotted, and all four actors can barely pinch out a drop out of their collective penises? There's so much that can go wrong. We can all point to individual scenes from the past - but they stood out from hundreds of others that might have had the potential to be that great, but for whom the circumstances didn't come together for.

Alright - you like DAPs - great. But, it will get tiring to just see a girl get plowed for forty minutes with two cocks in her ass. I mean, it shouldn't. But, if that's what you've got for the entire thing, then it's hard to make every moment of that special.

There are a lot of things that Analvids doesn't seem to fully understand or grasp. NRX studio did, to an extent. But ... like ...

So many scenes lack contrast. When a beautiful girl shows up - and then immediately starts getting fucked mercilessly - that can absolutely work. Sometimes. Sometimes. Other times, when it's a new beautiful teen performer, it wouldn't necessarily hurt to draw out her innocence/freshness.

Take a site like Casting Couch HD - it takes sometimes twenty minutes for the actress to even get her top off. They have to coax her to do just that much. But! When it comes time to insert just a single black cock into her pussy, the contrast the rest of the scene provided really makes that a moment. The rest of the scene is powerful because here you have this innocent girl thinking she's going to be applying to be in some rap video - now getting rammed, reluctantly, by a gigantic black cock.

I can understand that a lot of people don't want to sit through twenty minutes of chatting. NRX found the absolute PERFECT in-between where the three minute intro of the girl dancing and slowly stripping from her school-girl costume - embedded the scene with a contrast that she is now getting manhandled by a bunch of hung dudes. It was perfect.

It certainly was a step up from AVLP - who, to be fair, set the standard - where the girl just kind of awkwardly stands there for two to five minutes touching herself - and then a bunch of guys come in on her. There's not much character in that. The girl is merely reduced to a piece of meat. There's so much story - so much context that gets left out.

Story is very difficult to pull off in porn. You have to always show - never tell. You can't waste time with it either. Even some NRX scenes, like Sofa Weber's 3 hour gangbang, had this intricate fully-staged introduction that really did very little to add to the energy of the scene itself. It was an amazing idea on paper. But the parts didn't connect. And with each part you add - the greater the chance of the bridge falling apart completely becomes.

That's why Casting Couch HD is so smart with it - it can be summed up in a single sentence: innocent girl think she's shooting a rap video but then gets convinced to take bbc. Simple. Straightforward. So basic, but produces such an emotional energy to it, an innocence lost, that they've used the exact same scene scenario over 60 to 70 times, and it hasn't lost any of it's power.

So, yeah ... contrast is important. These beautiful young girls need to have their beauty, rarity, and innocence exemplified. That's why a lot of the Yummy E-Studios and Latin Teen Productions fall short - because you get this super small tiny teen jumping on two gigantic black cocks right off the bat. And she's smiling about it. Like, it's just another weekend for her, it takes the emotional energy right out of the scene. Natasha Teen Productions seems to recognize and realize this - and they try to imbue their performers with a bit more of an aura - a bit more of a sacredness to their beauty. Not just another piece of meat tossed to the dogs.

And that's where the piss comes in. It's meant to make the whole scene even more depraved. But, like was noted, it's often an energy killer. Watching a bunch of guys stand around and take a leak, and then have the girl usually laugh about it, just makes it too 4th wall breaking. This isn't a behind-the-scenes shot - this is supposed to have some edge to it. So ... besides the actress having a chuckle ... all the men are standing still. By the time the fucking resumes - all the energy has been lost.

And, I don't know about you, but I don't think the majority of men out there fantasize about pissing on girls. Like, I can't speak for everyone. And some scenes do do it well. But that's when it gets pretty rough. Like, complete twelve inch bbc down the throat taking a piss and having the girl throw up because of it. Not a lot of actresses can pull that off - never mind wanting to. It's the only thing that keeps the energy of the scene in the active. There really can be no in-between with piss. Either you have to go full stop 11/10 insanely depraved, or don't even bother.

Pretty much 95% of piss scenes are not pulled off well. And it reduces the girl to a back-alley whore. Maybe that works on some girls - but others, with a purer and more innocent beauty, you should really relish every step up the breaking ladder. Either that - or go insane BBC DAP breaking with the roughest gangbang right at the start. But - either way - something has to break up the non-stop DP/DAP pounding, or else that becomes old hat.

I would say to decrease the length of the scene, but whenever anybody sees a porn video that's under 48 minutes long, they assume it's not going all-out and that there's going to be something missing from it.

It's a really hard to balance on that ball.

But, yeah ... the standing around and taking a leak on the girl really doesn't work for so many reasons. Not just the lack of movement/energy - but the wet hair - the girl laughing about the whole thing - and then, especially, how the scene is forced to break in the end.

She goes from being absolutely soaked to just having damp hair - making it obvious that a scene cut occurred. It's absolutely fine for a camera cut to be made in the middle of an action scene, because people will just assume that it was a different camera is now filming the same action. But, when a girl magically transforms from soaked to just kind of damp and the gigantic pool of piss on the floor disappears - it's too reality breaking.

Deepthroat choke them with the piss - have them vomit and be actively passed around - or don't bother at all. This five guys standing around limply and taking a leak is like ...

What am I really watching here?

[Giorgio Grandi]

Piss play or piss drinking is not sexual... just like foot fetish or toy play... it's definitely erotic/softcore
Piss brutally stops any fucking momentum built up... that's what makes 2000s porn way better then 2020's Analpiss soft production. Back in the 2000s you only had at least 45min of manhanding, hard intense DP pounding with the sound of balls clapping and graphic images of prolapsed overflowing assholes oozing semen. That's the golden era of porn

Today you have pee drinking, puddle play, cake eating that cuts not only fucking scenes but also sperm swallowing scenes
Often times Analpiss garbage directors do not even wait for the girl to swallow several loads of goo but hastily wash up the jizz cocktail with piss... there's nothing more retarded than that

That argument pretending OF busts the market is what incompetent porn directors give to account for their failure and poor sales
OF has zero marketing power compared to distributing channels like Evil Angel, Brazzers, PornDoe, DP Diva, WCX, so cut the crap

I often read nonsense on this forum, but this one is probably over the top, probably the top 2024 so far.

When I or other name O.F, we are not telling a website has market power, but we are just making "in short" a complex topic about "self production" of content.

There are tons of models looking like goddess that literally shoot custom video for 100$/minute and use platforms like OF to engage with their customer making tens of thousands of dollars a month, some hundreds. There are even more just good looking girls that are doing almost that well or enough well to avoid any kind a pro-porn.
These girls are not going to shoot any kind of pro-porn, these girls that are not attracted at all from Evil Angel, Brazzers and so on.

There are a few, the more kinky that eventually did, could or would and will.

There has never been a time like now when the porn industry is full of super attractive girls, but in general they are not financially interested to get slammed 2 hours balls deep in the ass by 2 BBC, they do it if they like it... and believe me, we are talking about a small % of the pool of possible performers.

This is how it is.

For starters you can't even segment the genre to carry out a rational comparative analysis:
OF you're jabbering about is softcore eroticism just like the piss garbage you worship and vomit to fill the void of your contents
The bulk of OF contents belongs to a segment that cannot be compared to Hardcore multiple simultaneous penetration solo gangbangs and ergo OF cannot phagocytize studios like DPDivas or DPFanatics or the DP/DAP categories of key players. They don't have the same audience and hence their sales tunnel never overlap even less so compete with each other
The trend in porn is evolving away from OF solo toy play or boob flash contents to hardcore rough sex where anal, DP, DAP, TAP, double blowjobs, Blowbangs and multiple load load swallowing are getting more and more mainstream. Hence, a studio making it's bucks on these catagories should logically be kicking ass making crazy silly money but that's not your case.
Why: coz of the overabundance of softcore piss, piss play, piss puke, piss drink, piss cake... nonsense that not only are stupid (it's just a chick ingurging salt water [Na+Cl-]) but slow-down fucking scenes. How many fans of hardcore rough brutal gangbangs get off on a chick drinking salt water instead of getting off on airtight DPs/DAPs/DVPs/TPs... The volume of obnoxious distractions like slapping, rimjobs, pissing, cage play, puddle slide you create is so obnoxious and disruptive it makes your porn unwatchable. You get to start a rough intense DAP pounding only to get interrupted by retarded piss with a chick ending up drenched looking like a wet skinny kitty. You get to jerk on a cum bucket whore holding multiples loads of slimy gooey spunk in her mouth and can't wait to jerk at the sight of the her gargling, swallowing then burping it only to be deceived by a bunch of faggots pissing in the cum bucket whore... who the heck is that much dimwitted to spoil a money shot like that with a retarded softcore salt water fetish he and his grandpa groupies are obsessed with?

DR. House knows his subject well, you don't. You speak considering what you like as if it were the fundamental part of a successful content and it is not.

Whats count in a content, to sell properly, is the girl and the sex act. The way the sex act is performed count, sales wise, maybe 10% in the best case. The girl/s instead count for 80% in average.

When you write this "The trend in porn is evolving away from OF solo toy play or boob flash contents to hardcore rough sex..." you basically decide to avoid a professional conversation for an emotional and personal one. Your assumption is totally wrong and not supported by any data. Then you continue the same sentence with "... DP, DAP, TAP, double blowjobs, Blowbangs and multiple load load swallowing are getting more and more mainstream" another even more nonsense assumption.

I do not shoot what I like, I shoot what sells better (for example is well known here I am not a super piss fun myself)

To shoot profitable porn we need hot girls, but the hot girls stick with OF (and similar). The consequence is I we have access to a limitate pool of girls (much smaller than other producers because I need a pool of performers able to fill 30-40 scenes/month, not a few like most of other producers) and so on.... it is pointless to explain you the rest because you will stick on your point.

House has a team of people to carry a differential diagnosis, something you dont accept to do by stubbornly thinking with your libido (i.e. reasoning on the basis of your personal tastes). Btw, your way to write it is also one of the reason why almost no porn director in the word interact anymore with the users and is one of the reason all porn forum related to paysites do not exist anymore or, like this one, lose importance for a website.

Criticism is every time important, but frustrated rants are not. One good option could be to get drunk with Wilson or tell Dr. Cuddy you love her

[doraemon_washington]

The volume of obnoxious distractions like slapping, rimjobs, pissing, cage play, puddle slide you create is so obnoxious and disruptive it makes your porn unwatchable

rimjobs and slapping are bad too???

pfff you lil snowflake

you are afraid of the fun stuff

sadism & masochism is a primal universal thing we all have

degrading others is fun

pissing on someone is fun, is degrading them, is FUN
is not about the piss, is about the evil degradation u snowflake

you can both fuck a girl in the ass & piss on her
why only fuck her in the ass if you can also piss on her too for fun??? the more things the more fun

you condemn even rimjobs

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[xxxVIPERxxx]

There is no LPAV production slowdown. The quality of scenes and the number of them is on par for the past few years. In some cases, the overall quality of scenes is actually better.

[Buck_Meister]

DR. House knows his subject well, you don't. You speak considering what you like as if it were the fundamental part of a successful content and it is not.

Whats count in a content, to sell properly, is the girl and the sex act. The way the sex act is performed count, sales wise, maybe 10% in the best case. The girl/s instead count for 80% in average.

When you write this "The trend in porn is evolving away from OF solo toy play or boob flash contents to hardcore rough sex..." you basically decide to avoid a professional conversation for an emotional and personal one. Your assumption is totally wrong and not supported by any data. Then you continue the same sentence with "... DP, DAP, TAP, double blowjobs, Blowbangs and multiple load load swallowing are getting more and more mainstream" another even more nonsense assumption.

No, that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of porn experts from academics and the media
The reason I mentioned DP/DAP/DVP/TAP becoming mainstream is coz that's been mentioned by multiple ex-pornstars in interviews. These pornstars are based in France and have constituted a lobby to inform about porn getting more and more graphic. This goes from Ovidie to Katsumi to the very hostile Nikita Bellucci. They were among the greatest performers of DP/DAP in the world and paradoxically in their interviews they voice their concern how these categories are turning mainstream
So no that's not my whims and wishes. I can also throw dozens of academic articles measuring the increasing prevalence of DP/DAP/TP...
Bottomline, the trend is not ruled by OF but by the amount of rough hardcore scenes in the content

Here's a personal stance: I believe OF is a fad, a temporary craze but it's future is bound to be restricted to softcore and nonsense contents like in Twitch. Such amateur content cannot pose a threat to the big DP/DAP/DVP/TP channels

To me it's obvious when you shoot piss, it breaks the velocity of rough intense sex scenes
Then the girl needs to stop take a towel to dry herself, before grabbing a bottle of water, etc.
BTW, pissing is antagonistic to having a boner: biologically when you stop pissing when you are erect so again to fulfill that ridiculous fetish I presume you can only get to inject erectile stimulants or get pills but that again impinges on the quality of sex... you can see the passion is not there and things are artificial and mechanical
There's no doubt all such contributing factors account for poorer quality within the rough DP/DAP porn genre but hopefully not all studios are into that piss fetish and still produce high quality rough brutal solo gangbangs. These studios are faring well within the industry to their merit

I do not shoot what I like, I shoot what sells better (for example is well known here I am not a super piss fun myself)

To shoot profitable porn we need hot girls, but the hot girls stick with OF (and similar). The consequence is I we have access to a limitate pool of girls (much smaller than other producers because I need a pool of performers able to fill 30-40 scenes/month, not a few like most of other producers) and so on.... it is pointless to explain you the rest because you will stick on your point.

Another amateur mistake from you: how can you rationalize what would characterize a hot girl or an unsexy girl
That's yet another pointless argument: there will always be an infinite pool of hot girls available may it be in Europe, North America, South America, North Africa, South Asia... my point being every region has it's own subjective "hotness" criterion
So again another futile/irrelevant reason to explain why things are going down for some

[Giorgio Grandi]

No, that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of porn experts from academics and the media...

Who are the academics? Who are the media? Is the point of views of mentioned performer biased?
In the last 6-7 years I shot and released up to 750 scenes/year, this makes me the most prolific producer in the word, my point of view is less competent than others or more?
nonsense
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DAP and TAP are incredible small niches, smaller than pissing.
DP is bigger niche, but if you consider 20 years ago like 50+% of porn performer shot DP on weekly base, now probably 5% of available porn performer does it, 75% do not even do it.

DP is a smaller niche now than 20 years ago on a 50 time bigger pool of performers

--

Another amateur mistake from you: how can you rationalize what would characterize a hot girl or an unsexy girl
That's yet another pointless argument: there will always be an infinite pool of hot girls available may it be in Europe, North America, South America, North Africa, South Asia... my point being every region has it's own subjective "hotness" criterion

Amateur mistake is not rationalize what a hot girls mean for the west society (west society -> 90% of porn costumers). Than you should break it down by country (for example, Italians would prefer to watch an italian girl instead than a russian one)
Also you should break down users by age, specially regarding tattoos and sexual acts.
A hot girl can be defined easy: no tattoos, 18-25 y.o., white skin, 160 cm tall, middle size tits, nice small ass, in shape but generally thin, no imperfections, nice good looking symmetric face, straight teeth ecc.
For you to know, a girl with big ass, in general, has less audience compared to a girl with small ass. Of course there are exception, but in general it is like this because she is less palatable in west society when instead she is more appreciate in south america (but they are less rich to spend money in porn)

On the top of this, do you think I am so stupid to shoot content in a more complicate way (with pee) to gain less money?

I did my homework and I applied it for years, I know what I am saying and you assumptions and conclusions are wrong.

[Buck_Meister]

No, that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of porn experts from academics and the media...

Who are the academics? Who are the media? Is the point of views of mentioned performer biased?
In the last 6-7 years I shot and released up to 750 scenes/year, this makes me the most prolific producer in the word, my point of view is less competent than others or more?
nonsense
--
DAP and TAP are incredible small niches, smaller than pissing.
DP is bigger niche, but if you consider 20 years ago like 50+% of porn performer shot DP on weekly base, now probably 5% of available porn performer does it, 75% do not even do it.

DP is a smaller niche now than 20 years ago on a 50 time bigger pool of performers

What's that have to do with OF content cannibalizing DP/DAP/TAP releases???
Proves single-handedly that OF is actually irrelevant and a BS pretense for your slowdown

A hot girl can be defined easy: no tattoos, 18-25 y.o., white skin, 160 cm tall, middle size tits, nice small ass, in shape but generally thin, no imperfections, nice good looking symmetric face, straight teeth ecc.

This sentence alone discredits you
It speaks volume about your narrow-mindedness
No wonder you've got mostly trans-looking shemales as models

For you to know, a girl with big ass, in general, has less audience compared to a girl with small ass. Of course there are exception, but in general it is like this because she is less palatable in west society when instead she is more appreciate in south america (but they are less rich to spend money in porn)

Says the official spokesperson of the "West society"... Jesus Christ some people and their delusions
Just so you know, right now, a shitload of "West society" males are fapping on the curvilicious body of the likes of Angela White... not everybody have small dicks only capable of shagging tiny prepuberty assholes

On the top of this, do you think I am so stupid to shoot content in a more complicate way (with pee) to gain less money?

Judging by the last 3 points you just spewed, you bet your "West society" piss-obsessed tranny shagging ass, I do

[PAFstudio]

Since I've been trying to keep quiet for several weeks, I want to tell you a few things then if you don't believe me I'll send you some detailed photos... We have been complaining for months about technical problems, that there is a system bug that divides me from the dry and wet scenes, after 5 years that we have been active, our studio received a bonus of 30k$ and when we asked for the money they invented an absurd excuse not to pay me and they stole my money saying that we stole money from the scenes.When we asked for an explanation we were not shown any evidence on the contrary, we were also fined and they took money away from me and other studios from the balance saying that they had paid too much in euros and they stole another 720$ from me now since all our past arguments on the SABOTAGES HAVE BEEN MAGICALLY DELETED it is evident that someone after the problems of XXX took the lead and thought well also to take away the prepaid from the scenes unjustly, totally reducing our Possibility of working... Sheer is the site where we all upload from, you never know who I'm talking to and there's no real place to file a complaint of embezzlement, theft and fraud... It's nice to sabotage others because you hate competition, time to time guys you'll also pay with karma because it's too bad an injustice without real sensible reasons

[PAFstudio]

Since I've been trying to keep quiet for several weeks, I want to tell you a few things then if you don't believe me I'll send you some detailed photos... We have been complaining for months about technical problems, that there is a system bug that divides me from the dry and wet scenes, after 5 years that we have been active, our studio received a bonus of 30k$ and when we asked for the money they invented an absurd excuse not to pay me and they stole my money saying that we stole money from the scenes.When we asked for an explanation we were not shown any evidence on the contrary, we were also fined and they took money away from me and other studios from the balance saying that they had paid too much in euros and they stole another 720$ from me now since all our past arguments on the SABOTAGES HAVE BEEN MAGICALLY DELETED it is evident that someone after the problems of XXX took the lead and thought well also to take away the prepaid from the scenes unjustly, totally reducing our Possibility of working... Sheer is the site where we all upload from, you never know who I'm talking to and there's no real place to file a complaint of embezzlement, theft and fraud... It's nice to sabotage others because you hate competition, time to time guys you'll also pay with karma because it's too bad an injustice without real sensible reasons

Now I'll give you a topic to talk about, I'm curious to see how far you want to go to take us by the ass on the forum when the problems in the backstory are worse and this is one of the VERY SERIOUS REASONS FOR OUR SLOWDOWN... Giorgio Grandi, I have asked your secretary several times to talk to you, why don't you make fun of me, I know that you manage a good part of Sheer now because many have told me, now it seems normal to you that all this money is stolen from me and Feel free to take the prepaid from the EXCLUSIVE SCENES???? You don't want to meet me in person or even talk on the phone answer here then please in front of everyone.

[Paizal]

(...) nice small ass (...)
For you to know, a girl with big ass, in general, has less audience compared to a girl with small ass.

Alexis Texas is probably the most boring performer in the biz. And at the same time one of the most famous and successful solely because of her big butt.

[doraemon_washington]

(...) nice small ass (...)
For you to know, a girl with big ass, in general, has less audience compared to a girl with small ass.

Alexis Texas is probably the most boring performer in the biz. And at the same time one of the most famous and successful solely because of her big butt.

i dont understand how so much people likes those fat asses

a bubble butt of a girl that do training frequently & is skinny is super hot, a little big but not so big, and with a very skinny body

liking those chubby girls with fat asses, skinny girls with smaller butts are prettier

fat ass chubby women

There are tons of models looking like goddess that literally shoot custom video for 100$/minute and use platforms like OF to engage with their customer making tens of thousands of dollars a month, some hundreds.

uhhhh this is one of them, i made a gif, i bet she makes tons of money in OF, she looks brutal

[Giorgio Grandi]

No, that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of porn experts from academics and the media...

Who are the academics? Who are the media? Is the point of views of mentioned performer biased?
In the last 6-7 years I shot and released up to 750 scenes/year, this makes me the most prolific producer in the word, my point of view is less competent than others or more?
nonsense
--
DAP and TAP are incredible small niches, smaller than pissing.
DP is bigger niche, but if you consider 20 years ago like 50+% of porn performer shot DP on weekly base, now probably 5% of available porn performer does it, 75% do not even do it.

DP is a smaller niche now than 20 years ago on a 50 time bigger pool of performers

What's that have to do with OF content cannibalizing DP/DAP/TAP releases???
Proves single-handedly that OF is actually irrelevant and a BS pretense for your slowdown

OF (and similar) do not compete with us on the content itself, but it competes on the recruiting of girls. When a few years ago we were an opportunity for a model to get an high payout, now we are not (and when I use WE, I mean the Producers in general)

The main problem in "classic porn" (I mean produced from Producers) is the very low number of female performers available to work for us, this bring to less releases, because there are too less profitable girls.

All the rest is bs.

P.S.: I am still waiting to know who are the academics

[M_sicas_Candido]

She goes from being absolutely soaked to just having damp hair - making it obvious that a scene cut occurred. [...] when a girl magically transforms from soaked to just kind of damp and the gigantic pool of piss on the floor disappears - it's too reality breaking.

I still hope for a wet Giorgio scene where there are no cuts; he will accomplish something innovative and revolutionary. Keeping the set and the girl wet (without a break for cleaning) until the end of the scene enhances the feeling that you are watching something more raw and hard. It would be amazing to see the girl return to that piss-filled couch over and over again just to get wet again. In my opinion, it is more impactful and satisfying to watch the girl pissed on the floor, on the stairs or on the couch than in the basin.

In addition to the fact (as you said) that the cuts break the realism of the scene.

[M_sicas_Candido]

NRX found the absolute PERFECT in-between where the three minute intro of the girl dancing and slowly stripping from her school-girl costume - embedded the scene with a contrast that she is now getting manhandled by a bunch of hung dudes. It was perfect.

It certainly was a step up from AVLP - who, to be fair, set the standard - where the girl just kind of awkwardly stands there for two to five minutes touching herself - and then a bunch of guys come in on her. There's not much character in that. The girl is merely reduced to a piece of meat. There's so much story - so much context that gets left out.

I have to agree that NRX has taught other studios that it is possible to create hardcore content without stupidity and ignorance.

NRX directors have valued the female material they had at hand, introducing the girls with dances and presentations, expertly using the slow motion feature passing through the girl's body; creative costumes also helped. Does anyone remember Loren Strawberry scenes for NRX? That should be the standard.

The Czech male cast of AV led by Angelo was terrible. With him, iI felt like we were watching a relationship between wild animals and a piece of meat (as you said) being devoured. Thankfully, things have improved and now we have a much more professional AV production. But I attribute that to the lessons we learned from NRX and a more girl-friendly male cast.

[Christopher_Williams1]

Less is more to me. GIO produces great content and when he does a double or even a triple for a given day, I'm 99% sure that it brings down the average per scene, which will also bring down what the actresses get paid. I think I did noticed that the bigger stars tend to get the full spotlight, as GIO would only release that scene for that day. I honestly don't care much about any other studio, so that's why a market that isn't too saturated is good news for me. It's easier for great studios to make worthwhile money, hence, continue making the content we love. With that said and I made it clear many, many months ago, is that GIO has been filming since at least 2015. I'm sure that he's already set for life. We need a clone version of GIO so that I can continue enjoying hardcore porn after GIO retires.

[hyapet]

I still hope for a wet Giorgio scene where there are no cuts; he will accomplish something innovative and revolutionary. Keeping the set and the girl wet (without a break for cleaning) until the end of the scene enhances the feeling that you are watching something more raw and hard.

Impossible. When a girl is drenched in piss in a scene - that is degrading. When guys are now slick and dripping with their own piss because the soaking wet girl has been rubbing up against them - that is just weird. Don't get me wrong - pissing in general is super weird, but if the guys were to start getting slick and wet with their own piss, it just would be ... really odd.

Not only this, but you're not paying attention to two other things - one being that girls that are wet are incredibly hard to position and balance in a sex scene. They'll keep sliding off the guys - which means they'll be severely limited in the number of positions they can take. They'll also start sticking to the guys (if the pee is yellow) and you'll start hearing these "tearing" noises when the girl removes her skin from the guy's skin. The whole thing - it really is just super gross.

The second thing being ... girl's aren't hot when they have wet hair. Have you ever noticed that the minute a girl gets out of the water, she dries her hair before anything else? I mean, that's for other reasons too, but a girl's hair is, in many ways, her pride. And having it shrunken, and clumpy, and stuck all together isn't attractive. Either for her, in how she feels with it, or for the guys who are looking at her.

I mean, theoretically you could pull off a scene with Baby Kxtten, where the objective of all the performers are just to try to shut her up for a whole set, and they just viciously gag her with their cocks while peeing in her throat, having her throw up, and then having the guys position herself in her own piss while they nail her. It could absolutely work.

But this whole thing with there always being a couch (somewhat understandable I suppose) kind of takes that out of it. The whole thing would need to take place in a gym shower, so in between quick cuts, you could just hose the guys leg's off, and have them remain dry. So at least there is some traction between the bodies. It is doable. But, not under the current dichotomy of how scenes function as a whole.

I have to agree that NRX has taught other studios that it is possible to create hardcore content without stupidity and ignorance.

NRX directors have valued the female material they had at hand, introducing the girls with dances and presentations, expertly using the slow motion feature passing through the girl's body; creative costumes also helped. Does anyone remember Loren Strawberry scenes for NRX? That should be the standard.

The Czech male cast of AV led by Angelo was terrible. With him, iI felt like we were watching a relationship between wild animals and a piece of meat (as you said) being devoured. Thankfully, things have improved and now we have a much more professional AV production. But I attribute that to the lessons we learned from NRX and a more girl-friendly male cast.

I don't know about "stupidity and ignorance." Those are hard qualifiers to put to anything.

Rough porn absolutely has a space. But, you have to remember the social commentary that has been invariably pumped into all Western media, so that nobody can literally watch anything without viewing it through that lens.

If white men treat a girl rough in porn - then there's obviously some mental issues at play. They aren't acting - they're just being bad people. But, if black men treat a girl rough in porn - then that's hot.

To be fair, black men seem to be better at it in general. The white scenes at all studios but NRX (and now EKS) were typically - alright. It's only the other two where the guys really shined. That's not completely fair, but whenever I saw any white guys performing at AVLP, it always felt like they were filling a contract. With the black guys, it felt like it was a day out at a theme park. It was totally different energy. Mike Chapman played a big roll in creating that kind of energy and persona for all black actors - although Shawn Diesel first pioneered it.

Eva Barbie's NRX Dark Side BBC DAP is pretty much the perfect intro to porn ever. The music is incredible. The time spent going through the motions is not wasted - every movement is essential. And it really sets the scene and the mood for, quite frankly, one of the best scenes shot in porn ever to happen.

Like, I dunno. I don't want to watch a girl just standing there for five minutes looking lost and taking obvious direction from the camera man as to what to do next. I don't want a short musical intro of thirty seconds that is just enough to give you an idea, but then it completely cuts out and the fucking then begins. I don't want an overly bloated introduction where the girl plays with toys (the absolute fucking worst) for ten minutes straight before the guys arrive, and at that point it's like, what is the point even anymore?

Giorgio, hands down, knows what he's doing. He's also smart enough to custom tailor every scene to a girl's strength and takes into account what the male talent can do. Is every scene great? No. But it is completely unfair to automatically dump that into his lap like it's his fault. The return he has on his scenes is high enough where the man can be given the benefit of the doubt that if something didn't work out, it wasn't necessarily his fault. That's not saying he's perfect - who is - but the idea that there are folks in here who like mouthing him off because they know porn better than he does is so absolutely fucking ridiculous it surprises me they don't just shut down the entire forum on principle.

He's right - the forum is a reflection of the product. Is it nice for the regulars to have a spot to hang and discuss their favorite bits and give the producers an idea of what's working and what isn't? Certainly! But all it takes is one meatball to make everyone else who visits this place seem like they too might struggle to put their pants on in the morning. You can have a differentiating opinion - that is fine - but don't start attacking the man. You know? Have the memory of this place for the producers that visit here please be something other than a migraine inducing eye-roll. Might give us the chance to last a bit longer.

But, yeah. Nick Whitehard did so much right. I keep bringing up NRX in all of my posts - and that's not to discredit the other producers - their hard work - or their vision. But, between the music, the sets, the cohesion of the male talent, the costumes, and to mention absolutely nothing of the stunningly beautiful girls ... NRX was the evolutionary step of porn. I bring them up constantly with the hopes that other producers became inspired by what they saw and decided to, if not directly copy what NRX did (which isn't necessarily good in and of itself), then at least be inspired to keep on creating and innovating in their own styles and tastes.

I think the sales figures are inspiring that - regardless of everything else. NRX showed what an absolute pay-day could be achieved on the site - and since their disappearance - no one has come to reclaim that slice of the available pie. If someone, anyone, could get that lightning into the bottle again, Giorgio would be a better candidate than anyone else.

But, that's completely up to him. And there is absolutely nothing wrong if he doesn't want to go down that path, either. No matter what anyone says, you sacrifice a lot of your pride when you go after someone else's glory. Still though, when it comes to a lot of the things, particularly the intros, there are a lot of lessons that NRX provided that I'm surprised more studios and producers haven't picked up on. Especially considering the sales they achieved.

[M_sicas_Candido]

one being that girls that are wet are incredibly hard to position and balance in a sex scene. They'll keep sliding off the guys - which means they'll be severely limited in the number of positions they can take. They'll also start sticking to the guys (if the pee is yellow)

Well, I believe that for hypothetical uncut wet scenes, adaptations would probably be necessary: ​​for example, the duration of the scene could be shorter; some towels are available for quick drying of the girl body and hair; fewer positions etc. But definitely no changes to the set regarding cleaning should be made - that's what I meant and maybe I didn't say it clearly.

[Jimbo8012395]

OF has zero marketing power compared to distributing channels like Evil Angel, Brazzers, PornDoe, DP Diva, WCX, so cut the crap

What the fuck. That is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard in my life.

OnlyF is FUCKING HUGE. Users spent over $5 billion on the platform in 2022. It's net revenue is $1.2 billion. It dwarfs all those companies you've mentioned 100 times over.

For context, there are only 3 record labels in the music business with a higher turnover - Sony, Universal and Warner. That's how big it is.

[Jimbo8012395]

There are tons of models looking like goddess that literally shoot custom video for 100$/minute and use platforms like OF to engage with their customer making tens of thousands of dollars a month, some hundreds. There are even more just good looking girls that are doing almost that well or enough well to avoid any kind a pro-porn.
These girls are not going to shoot any kind of pro-porn, these girls that are not attracted at all from Evil Angel, Brazzers and so on.

Exactly. Louis Theroux interviewed Mia Malkova for his Forbidden America documentary back in 2021 and she said she was earning $180,000 per month off OnlyF. Crazy amounts of money.

How do porn directors compete with that?! They don't. She has literally no incentive to ever film porn again with a commercial studio. I'd argue that anyone earning 1/10th of what Mia does, probably doesn't either.

Filming content for commercial porn studios is really the stepping stone for new talent to earn far more money off OnlyF. A fairly new OnlyF account like https://www.youtube.com/@KaiRazy would benefit from filming commercial porn to get the number of subscribers up, but she'll eventually reach a level of popularity and money coming in where it doesn't make sense anymore.

It's just the way it is now.

[M_sicas_Candido]

Well, do you think the OF model is sustainable in the long term, or even medium term? Many of you cited examples of actresses who are raking in a lot of money on the platform in question - it's true. However, many of them had already achieved their fame years ago (thanks to the studios) and had to work hard, performing several professional scenes to get where they are. Moral of the story: what will happen to them in (let's imagine) 5 years from now? Remembering that a good number of those "girls" are already classified as MILFS, in other words, wouldn't the career of many of them in hardcore production be coming to an end anyway? Isn't OF just an alternative to extend their "useful life" a little further?

[Christopher_Williams1]

Well, do you think the OF model is sustainable in the long term, or even medium term? Many of you cited examples of actresses who are raking in a lot of money on the platform in question - it's true. However, many of them had already achieved their fame years ago (thanks to the studios) and had to work hard, performing several professional scenes to get where they are. Moral of the story: what will happen to them in (let's imagine) 5 years from now? Remembering that a good number of those "girls" are already classified as MILFS, in other words, wouldn't the career of many of them in hardcore production be coming to an end anyway? Isn't OF just an alternative to extend their "useful life" a little further?

This kind of remind me of the Caitlin Clark's situation. She has a lot of star power. Has tens of millions of dollars of endorsements already and has yet to play in the WNBA or a game outside of college. Her first season in the WNBA would pay her like $75K. That is not a misprint. The WNBA would probably only pay her about 1% of her total income that she would generate. With that said, she has to play so that people don't forget about her and so the endorsements keep coming.

So with adult actresses, if they don't film sexy scenes anymore, then her revenue from OF will gravitate downward, rarely upward. The good news though for actresses is that the revenue would rarely completely disappear, unless they are 70.